There is also no doubt in my mind that he kept a "memento" from the victims to relive the crime over and over again, the way John Wayne Gacy did. I hope this is the guy so there can be closure. Hopefully the lack of screams means they were killed very fast. The pouch/fanny pack that the Bridge Guy was wearing may have been a deer kill kit that contained a knife and other things. But, I couldn't tell you much more than that. don't in any way contradict the date of the murders. "Bobby, what are you doing!" r319 Jack the Ripper did something similar to Mary Kelly after he killed her in her small bedsit room. I think he has a lot of crap under that jacket. [quote]The only thing I can think of is that he was comparing body to body three unusual things done to/with each body. "I believe that the individual, when we catch him, it will be a combination of those two.. I wonder if they were taken somewhere else, killed, and their bodies returned to the river after the search was called off. Investigators have yet to find a match but a change in Indiana law may help in that regard. He was caught while abducting and trying to kill a young girl (same MO). Q. I watched a few things on 2 Youtube channels: Other things in the stuff that I just read: Abby was murdered first. Q. R500 That's definitely weird. Shocker. Garnett, he said, was the son of Lawrences uncle, but was living with his mother, Betty Garnett, and a stepfather, Sam Whitaker Jr., on South Adams Street in the borough. I always roll my eyes at the 'owed money to drug dealers' theory. But posting inside a thread is okay, unless it's one of their delusional political stories. This fat guy wouldn't surprise anyone. Its 65-70 feet off the river deck. Ive always thought it was some rando lucky-psycho that day. It's creepy but it's not of one of the victims. Get serious. He told police he would find girls on Instagram and then ask them to talk to him on Snapchat. Not saying that they were definitely not up to something but not necessarily either. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby has been working the Delphi Murders case for four years. One of them started filming him but stuck her phone in her pocket when he got close so he wouldn't see it. I was recently educated on this point by someone who knows more about True Crime than I do. A copy of Lawrence's death certificate showed the cause of death was "alcoholic liver disease". The disclosure ended speculation that Lawrence, whose body was found by her husband, Laurie Sautereau, at their home in Fulham, west London, on Saturday, had committed suicide. Evidently the sheriff is going to answer submitted questions. View our online Press Pack. She had gone to see him on March 6, 1971, hoping he would help smooth over her parents anger at her over a youthful transgression going to a party instead of staying with her brothers at a movie. The original sketch could be a young but unfit/chubby man and to me there is a definite resemblance. If the sheriff is indeed innocent, this documentary didnt do him any favors. Never mind. It was probably the county sheriff's nephew. What good is it if you haven't done your investigation so that you can get a conviction. At least information followed into or brought to the attention by the investigators. Marissa Bluestine, the Innocence Projects legal director, said she had not heard of Garnetts case until contacted about it by a reporter. Ive walked across the high bridge myself. The first is a grainy image of a man walking towards the girls along one of the trails. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. What a sick motherfucker this one is. One theory that keeps floating around, on discussion threads: Libby's dad is a known druggie. There's a case from the mid 90s in my home state where a woman was stabbed on a beach just outside a small community. They don't have a clue who the real killer is. Whoever the SOB he follows the threads closely, and more than likely gets a sick thrill from posting as well . I didnt follow it until now. Thanks for proving why we should NOT have the death penalty, r194, the difference is that Lam wasn't even murdered, while these girls clearly were. She fell, Durnell said Garnett told him, and he went home to get the blanket and ropes. Those trails are where kids went. Between the similar looks and the fact of his crime being almost identical to the Delphi murders, I really feel he is the killer. Stay away from places like this. Small town or not, this is the 21st century. That wasnt the first time hes been on that high bridge, my opinion, again thats my opinion. False confessions can be quickly discounted if they state a false COD. And then returned for whatever reason to murder. And the dog. It is speculated he told the police "I"m fucked" because he recognized 1 or 2 of the girls after their murders as having been girls he catfished. The charges stem from a search of his Peru, Indiana home on February 25, 2017 - just 11 days after the bodies of Liberty and Abby were found. It should have been an OK thing to do. I had doubts before but no longer after learning more about that terrain. The bodies of Libby and Abby were found on the back end of a private piece of property less than a mile from where they were dropped off the day before. [1] She was educated at Halidon House School in Slough, Berkshire, whilst living in Colnbrook. [quote]Also.its such a small town. The state police must be terrible. The investigators probing Abby Williams and Libby Germans murders have not offered comment one way or the other on the accuracy of the representation, however. As we were leaving the room, he said, OK. R18 I have heard that there is 7 minutes and also 40 minutes. Did she fight back, did the killer see something about her that didn't like? The police later identified his car in other snatch-and-grab kills of opportunity. What happened on that unusually warm February day remains a mystery to this day to everyone but Liberty German, Abigail Williams and the man who murdered them. "We are confident you have told someone what you have done. r466, r446 said "this weirdo" reset his phone the day of the murders. The link below is for the big informative tattoo comparison thread. One of them, Jimmy Dale Duvall, is dead now. R266-- I agree, that IS him. It is not difficult to threaten and intimate children that age into obeying orders. More than two years later, on April 22, 2019, Indiana State Police released a new piece of audio that is a slightly extended version of the initial clip and includes the word Guys followed by Down the Hill.. I think the face on that tattoo is exactly what her poor face looked like when he left her there for LE. Kegan could definitely be covering up other crimes (he's been arrested for child porn and other related charges so that wouldn't be crazy) but the dates of the backdated FB posts, the wiping of his phone etc. Trying to recall which podcast, but it was raised with either a family remember it law enforcement. I think it was a stranger. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in Hampstead, London, England as Delphi Cajetana Holzman. I've never understood why the girls didn't call 911. His father, Defields Lawrence, had died in 2001. tragic. So many of the guys in that area and of that age range look like the police sketch. She trained as a concert pianist before becoming an actress, training at RADA and graduating in 1949. The story in the video (Libertys father fingered two meth dealers and this was retribution) makes more sense.and would account for the positioning of the bodies (sexual/religious) as a huge fuck you to the father and the community as a whole. READ | Investigators say internet rumors can hinder search for Delphi killer. First, the family began to search. There is an escort from that area who recorded the judge Kurtis Fouts and he resigned. Some of you have been reading too much smutty crime fiction. HLN in 2020 released the immensely popular Down the Hill podcast, named after the suspects cryptic words in the audio clip taken from Libbys phone. According to Leigh Kerr there was a religious aspect to the crime scene and the bodies were staged. I wish I wouldn't have watched the video she recorded before bed. Multiple pieces of evidence, including anything technologically based, have been gained. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenvy has been working the Delphi Murders case for four years. R384- STOP TRYING TO MAKE CHADWELL HAPPEN Why do you gaf, you creepy asshole. Lawrence went on to star in a series of Andrew Lloyd Webber hits, including Starlight Express and Cats. He said he would take her home, Garnett testified. I experienced it and I kept a piece of the high bridge and Ill carry it with me until we find out who this is.". When they now began to answer his inquiries, he learned another reason why they had been so close-lipped. I think this is the likely reason and if so it is a very clever tactic. On Saturday, March 18, 1972, Garnett was convicted of first-degree murder. The murderer was or is definitely local or at least knew the trail. Some features on this site require a subscription. But during the one-year press conference marking the Delphi murders, state police said Daniel Nations was "not someone we care a whole lot about at this moment in time.". I am not surprised that this crime was committed there, and I would not be surprised if Indiana law enforcement officers know exactly who did it and are simply too complicit or too incompetent to bring the killer or killers to justice. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. There should be some news by now. I hope the bastard didnt just die from covid, getting away with murder. The day the girls went missing, there were dozens of people looking for them. It just seems odd for a serial killer to strike in the remote area hoping a couple of teenage girls stroll by. These pictures from the Delphi murders featured the bridge and the surrounding countryside. The bodies of Abby Williams, 13, and her best friend Libby German, 14, were discovered near a river a short distance away from the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, on February 14, 2017. I agree with the poster who said hes done this before. If I hadnt let him take her home, she would probably be alive today.. But still killing two teenage girls who decided at the last minute to take an unadvertised hike? The last of these was in 1990, opposite Prowse. R81's theory makes sense. I think this thread has a link to the helicopter photos. If nothing else claw their skin and get their DNA under your fingernails (it's probably on file somewhere already). Q. WebDELPHI, Ind. She was an actress, known for The Man Who Could Cheat Death (1959), The Man Who Finally Died (1959) and The Avengers (1961). Stop. The car was abandoned near the crime scene. Police arrested Garnett on April 9, 1971, five days after Delphi was found. The tattoo could be an archetype in his head that is his "type." I dont believe the abortion by murder story. He mutilates the eyes . But why not arrest him, is the DNA chain of custody compromised? The model's images were reportedly used without their knowledge or consent. If ithe Bridge Man was someone in law enforcement, the girls may have initially trusted him and acted with compliance if he showed his badge. There is speculation that the old Bridge Guy was stalking the girls and trapped them by being behind them on the bridge, while the younger guy approached the girls from the other direction. Was video collected throughout Delphi from Feb. 13, 2017 including video from the building across from the abandoned CPS building (The Andersons)? Kline said he had about 100 pictures from underage girls that were sexual in nature, in addition to about 20 sexually explicit videos. They threaten you, they don't go jump start to killing two people. I believe that he threatened them with a gun not with arrest. Will slip up and give a detail only he knows. The cops need to release more of the recording, unedited. (Other sources say that the girls were handcuffed to each other). The links won't post here. There are lots of close-ups of his jacket and I see an outline of a gun in his right pocket area. I wonder if investigators could have worked out approximate height from the video, since that would have been a good tip to look out for. Those are the vibes some of his pictures gave me. R480 DNA would easily tell who the father of that baby was. Articulate in the use of terms of art through practice. It is also not known if the killer left the phone there or not. She had blood under her fingernails. Investigators have released two grainy images from that video that shows a man were to believe was behind the girls on that bridge, a short clip of that man walking, an audio recording of a man presumably the same one saying Guys. Does LE already know who it is? He says the items were unusual. Girls or women who are pregnant with a baby that their boyfriend/husband/hookup doesn't want are targets for homicide. I was thinking one of them was posed as if crucified. Or not. He looks nothing like the guy. The public has been given two sketches, is the thought there is more than one person involved or is the second sketch the suspected killer? However he said the cops told him that Anthony shots was the last person Libby communicated with. That inexorable redneck fuck lumbering towards the camera in his stupid fucking dad jeans..and the casual way he orders them down the hillI just feel for those girls. Please complete the process by verifying your email address. Just let us hear it. Though, playing devil's advocate, there could have been other reasons he wanted to pretend he lived in Las Vegas, given he had been arrested for other crimes. WEST CHESTER Delphi Lawrence had been dead a little over a year when Chester County Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas A. Pitt Jr. called the case of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania vs. Carl Garnett. Kim Riley told RTV6 at the time. R272-- I think he was also carrying weapons, maybe even a "kill kit." Were you supervised 24/7 when you were 15? I cannot find any source of Robert Ives, former Carroll Co prosecutor, stating anything about non-secular signatures. There was also an investigator who said there was physical evidence but it's "not what you think," which makes people believe it might be simply touch DNA (i.e. READ | A look at the property where two missing teen girls were found dead. Also in the thread is a link to a compilation of his TikTok video posts and his voice sounds like the voice of the Bridge Guy. And these leakers and other insiders AFAIK any anon person claiming such status online is not to be taken seriously . that not true here? I read the 2 Reddit forums about the Delphi Murders. I saw the helicopter photos but it didnt look like anything to me. A composite sketch one of just a couple pictures of the Delphi Murders suspect. Her mother wept audibly, McCauley wrote. You're funny, r3, but the story really is horrifying. Web15 votes, 84 comments. R345, we already established that the tattoo was on his arm before the Delphi murders. One of her other prominent TV roles was around the same time, in 1961, where she played the countess in episode 6 of the TV historical adventure series SirFrancisDrake ("The English Dragon"). However, Bluestine said some features of the case made it subject for greater inquiry. Most serial killers have a "type" of victim that they fantasize about about. I do believe he got them to cooperate and keep quite by holding a weapon on one girl and telling them one sound and she was dead. Here's some pics of the dad, But honestly all these white guys look alike. Ive read one girl appeared to have been killed quickly, almost as an afterthought, and the other seemed to have been the target of his rage. On the favorite mystery thread, a poster mentioned the Delphi Murders and I looked them up. R288, That's exactly what I said when I read he is from LaFollette. Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered in Delphi, Indiana on Feb. 13, 2017. They have created a new team to look at this case off-site. Law enforcement's relative radio silence over the probe has permitted a swell of speculation to mount online - something Holeman acknowledged. If sexual assault wasn't the motive, the motive must have been something else we're not aware of - such as a payback for a parent's debt. He used a gun. I am not a good judge of age, he looks to be anywhere from late twenties to late thirties, early forties from that photo. Also, if you listen closely to the recording, it sounds like you hear the Guys and then one of the girls yelling something. I've investigated this case quite a bit. It's almost 4am and I am checking out her FB friends. They've said for years everyone there knows who did it, but it's never come out. At 70 years old, Delphi Lawrence height not available right now. He did not take answers during or after the press conference, however his remarks at the time seemed to indicate that cops believed they were close to zeroing in on the suspect. The BG seemed older and walked differently. I hasnt known about the tips on him but a week or so I was watching one of the briefings (this one appeared to be held in the woods) and he was standing behind Carter. She wasn't there, and she doesn't know. Libby's photo looks like a school picture. Also praying that this monster is removed from society. Nothing good ever came from the Knoxville Tn. But that is the way he leaves them, I think. Please clarify the two sketches, this has been a point of confusion since the second sketch was released. It is, she said, a truly interesting case.. He doesnt have a beer gut, hulking arms, or short sausage legs. The basics: Two teen girls walking on a deserted bridge in Feb 2017 go missing and are found brutally murdered the next day, about 3/4 of a mile from the bridge. Im not sure how that fits with religious iconography. That and the condition of the bridge could account for the way he was walking. , money, salary, income, and assets. What I found interesting, is when she is asked about it she simply states that he was trying to help, which to me does not sound like a denial. Last night, I read through a long thread on Reddit and it was frightening, sad, and had information that I hadn't read before. So were trying to keep the details close to our vests.. Libby and Abby were dropped off at the trail near Delphis scenic Monon High Bridge, an abandoned railroad bridge over Deer Creek. And yes, their deaths were violent. That guy is like an every man, he could be anybody which is even scarier. His wife Cantor Cathy Lawrence confirmed the news to The Hollywood Reporter but did not specify a cause of death at the time. Look at his left ear in the photo and the left ear of the first sketch. Doug Carter, Thanks R77. Provided Photo One of the cellphone pictures from the Delphi murders depicts the suspect walking down the railroad bridge toward Abby Williams and Libby German. In the attack he was arrested for, her family says the 9 year old was bleeding out of her eyes from the strangulation? Three years in, here's everything we know about the investigation into the murders of Libby and Abby: It was an unseasonably warm day and an unexpected day off from school when friends Liberty German and Abigail Williams decided to visit the trails near the Monon High Bridge and take some photographs. Can we link to Reddit on here? This is an app that is going to help so many people and change the perspective of crime, and hopefully solve cases and get arrests for many unsolved cases.. click ACCEPT. a hair, a skin sample from nails, just SOMETHING. A rare development in the case was shared by cops earlier this week when they announced they were hunting for the creator of a bogus social media profile that was grooming underage girls and attempting to meet with them. For example, if you listen to the sound clip (the best version is on FBI website, you can clearly hear one of the girls yelling Oh, my GOD! between the Guys and Down the hill. According to one family member who heard the recording, the sound of a gun being cocked can also be heard. Copyright 2020 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. It's like those paedophile hunters who try and entrap pervs who the cops may already be monitoring. Regardless of whether it's a real person he's encountered or an image of some kind. The key evidence in the case has been video taken by Libby, likely in the moments before her death. I WONDER why we could think this guy might possibly have been involved. Not sure where the phone was found or if the guy knew a recording had been made. They did have their phones. I don't know why for 5 years the cops couldn't reveal the time this all occurred. This speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation and I would respectfully prefer not to answer. The guy behind Anthony schotz profile was in communication with Libby all weekend long. Theres a tin working on the case as well as FBI. Hard to imagine any group of people conspiring to murder a little girl, but it becomes at least possible under the above theory - huge variations in whats been officially said about probable perp, including that most recent sketch looks nothing like dude in pics & also looks half his age has led to speculation of involvement by both a father & his impregnating son - this part IDK IIRC in all aspects . but there was a car parked nearby the next day that registration showed belonged to local boy (with Christian community connections? Because of social media, and the onslaught of armchair detectives, pictures and information of people who may look like the man in the photo circulated, causing death threats and harassment. Like when people put up side-by-side photos of innocent peopleor, at least, people with no ties to the state of Indiana or Delphiwhich creates false [information]. R4777 Anyone who was a Snapchat friend could have seen Libby's feed that showed her photo of Abby on the bridge or other photos that Libby took at the trails. It just doesnt sound right. Delphi Lawrence (Delphi Cajetana Holzman) was born on 23 March, 1932 in Hampstead, London, England, UK, is an Actress. But i'm hoping they have some sort of DNA evidence or something they haven't released to public that would pin this on him. They're keeping a lot from press. So not freakishly short. Someone on the Reddit thread posted an image. That's very short for a man. Really can't get around finding the child on the actual premises, injured and chained up in the basement. Trump supporters galore; and more than their share of criminal element. Some of the girls' clothing was found floating in the creek that they had been forced to cross. I hope I'm just seeing things and nothing that horrific happened to the girls. (example: cause of death: spinal fractures mode of death: falling of the bridge in a suspected suicide) 8 Reply Molleeryan 6 yr. ago That's the problem with the internet. The workplace of double murder suspect Richard M. Allen, on Oct. 31, 2022, in Delphi, where girls Abigail Williams and Liberty German were killed in 2017. It would have saved the county the cost of a trial. The girls were stabbed, right? Who could harm anyone let alone a child? It ties into Libby's dad informing on the Delphi meth heads in order to get a reduced sentence for stealing a big farm tank that was full of a chemical you need to make meth. If they did they wouldn't be in business long. Here's a good recap of the investigation. He looked through his binoculars and saw the 2 bodies and notified LE. Some say that the girls were killed inside a barn on RL's property and then later moved and during "dark hours" after LE had stopped searching. The picture looks pretty similar to the sketch. The physical similarities are pretty striking between BG and PB, that's true. But a lack of further evidence prevented Daniel Nations from being arrested. Why could they be the suspect. Another theory is first sketch (old guy) was taken from witnesses and the video. The sheriff also had notable body language that could be interpreted as guilt or fear. Stands to reason. He's most likely a phony. Like I said above, the girls would have been heard screaming if they were killed at 3 pm. Clearly, being the the murderer of two children would be a worse situation for the killer than the father of boy who had impregnated his 13 year old girlfriend. R245 You are saying BG has nothing to do with the crime? They may have dropped something in that area, so we combed the area, said Sgt. Isn't part of the id problem a lot of guys look like h? I posted at R413. The girls' causes of death have never been disclosed and their killer has never been found. The primary focus by investigators is on the second sketch. Of course they are updated. Theres a lot of false information out there, he conceded. No one has time for that shit, Plus the mail has really become a repug propaganda site. I would like to know why the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was called in to help with this. Just for the sake of argumentis it possible as someone mentioned upthread that it could possibly have been someone they met online that they were meeting up with to hang out? OP/R21 the thought of there being 40 minutes of audio/video footage is truly gut-wrenching to even imagine. How would this case be handled from the beginning had there not been any audio/video of the person of interest? "Following a post-mortem this morning it was established she died of natural